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Social trading – Is it a free for all?

14 February 2014

Committed traders spend thousands of hours absorbing, processing and acting on market information. “Social” empowers them to post, receive, and thus exchange information, 24*7 with others around the globe.

P2P is THE new paradigm. Unsurprisingly, traders have embraced P2P with gusto.

Social and traders: isn’t this exciting? How about Social trading / Copy-trading / Auto-trading / Mirror trading??

Here’s our take! (Hint: knowing that trading is Intellectual Property, you won’t be surprised!)

Social trading & collaboration

Trades are a time sensitive IP produced by hard to acquire trading skills: knowing a good trader’s current market outlook, or the trade that he just placed is VERY valuable information.

On this account, “social” holds promise. Trading rooms & clusters of “Twitter traders” have formed on a validated psychology principle: group beats individual decision-making. Your information helps me; my information helps you, it’s a win-win, “social trading” here we go!

Collaboration is everything in social trading

 

 

 

 

 

 

Almost, but not quite!

Social trading = free for all?

There’s this tiny little thing: for this to work, my contribution has to be as valuable to you as your contribution is valuable to me.

Otherwise, imagine this conversation between Trader Johnnie and George “Quantum” Soros in 1992. Johnnie, who just placed his first ever trade, reaches out: “Hey George, I’m a trader, you’re a trader, let’s social trade: I’m long the GBP, any thoughts?”.

Absurd, and therefore unlikely! Animal Farm’s unforgettable Napoleon summed it up:

Animal Farm and social trading

 

 

 

“All traders are equal, but some trades are more equal than others”

 

 

 

Free “Social trading” as described above = barter. Barter works… AS LONG AS all parties to it exchange equally valuable contributions.

Luckily for George, trading is an IP industry: no amount of Johnnie trades are of interest to George (this is not to say that knowing ALL trades by ALL Johnnies at any point in time wouldn’t!). Barter and IP are difficult soul-mates: a sustained IP exchange where a trader consistently contributes above average only works if he really likes philanthropy: the communist trader – a very strange creature, indeed!

Social trading – our take

“Social trading” would work IF all traders had similarly valuable IP to contribute. But they don’t. The moment a trader contributes more than he gets, his incentive is to walk. Once he does, the second best trader, who also contributed above average and now also lost access to the best trader’s IP, follows suit. This triggers a race to the bottom that soon becomes noise. At its worst, this is Twitter for traders. Everyone has trades to tweet, alas not all trades are equally valuable.

Social trading – what’s next?

Barter is not the way to exchange valuable information: this ignores the dynamics of intellectual property. Existing “social trading” propositions fall short on this account and thus have flaws that greatly outweigh their benefits to good traders. What’s worse, they’re a self-selection magnet for all sorts of bad stuff that smart traders should best stay away from. Groucho Marx knew when he said: “I wouldn’t join a club that admitted me as a member!”

At Darwinex, we know that, given the right set-up, good traders have valuable IP to contribute, and can benefit from collaboration. Our investor platform is already in private beta, so stay tuned!

 

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Darwinex Trading Hours for the 2017 Christmas & New Year Holiday Period

15 December 2017

Christmas is around the corner! Please find below the Darwinex Trading Schedule for the 2017 Christmas and New Year Holiday Period (all times are displayed in UK time and changes to regular trading hours are highlighted in red).   Instrument    Friday 22nd Dec   Monday 25th Dec   Tuesday 26th Dec FX 22:01 Thu – 21:55 Fri CLOSED 22:01 Mon – […]

Christmas is around the corner!

Please find below the Darwinex Trading Schedule for the 2017 Christmas and New Year Holiday Period (all times are displayed in UK time and changes to regular trading hours are highlighted in red).

 

Instrument 

 

Friday 22nd Dec

 

Monday 25th Dec

 

Tuesday 26th Dec

FX 22:01 Thu – 21:55 Fri CLOSED 22:01 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Commodities
Gold 23:01 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED 23:01 Mon – 21:59 Tue
Silver 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Platinum 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Palladium 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
US Crude 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
US Natural Gas 23:00 Thu – 20:00 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
DARWINS 23:00 Thu – 20:00 Fri CLOSED 22:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Indices      
STOXX50E 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED CLOSED
GDAXI 07:00 – 21:00   CLOSED  CLOSED
SPA35 07:00 – 19:00   CLOSED  CLOSED
SPX500 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED  CLOSED
WS30 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED  CLOSED
NDX 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED  CLOSED
J225  23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri CLOSED CLOSED
AUS200 23:00 Thu – 05:30 Fri CLOSED CLOSED 
FCHI40  23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED  CLOSED
UK100 23:00 Thu – 12:30 Fri  CLOSED  CLOSED 

 

 

Instrument 

 

Friday 29th Dec 

 

Monday 1st Jan 

 

Tuesday 2nd Jan

FX 22:01 Thu – 21:55 Fri CLOSED 22:01 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Commodities
Gold 23:01 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED 23:01 Mon – 21:59 Tue
Silver 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Platinum 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Palladium 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
US Crude 23:00 Thu – 20:00 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
US Natural Gas 23:00 Thu – 20:00 Fri  CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
DARWINS*  22:05 Thu – 22:00 Fri  CLOSED 22:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Indices      
STOXX50E 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
GDAXI 07:00 – 21:00  CLOSED  07:00 – 21:00 
SPA35 07:00 – 19:00  CLOSED 07:00 – 19:00 
SPX500 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED  23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
WS30 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED  23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
NDX 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri  CLOSED  23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
J225  23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
AUS200 23:00 Thu – 05:30 Fri CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
FCHI40  23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri CLOSED 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
UK100 23:00 Thu – 12:30 Fri  CLOSED  23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue

As always, if you have any queries, please feel free to contact us at info@darwinex.com.

The Darwinex Team wishes you a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!

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And the DarwinIA winners are… (November 2017)

1 December 2017

The November edition of our DarwinIA trading challenge came to its end. Below you can find the 48 winners of our € 4,000,000 notional allocation for a 6 month period. Place DARWIN Notional allocation 1st PUZ € 300,000.00 2nd AXF € 250,000.00 3rd STP € 210,000.00 4th CSP € 170,000.00 5th SVI € 150,000.00 6th […]

The November edition of our DarwinIA trading challenge came to its end. Below you can find the 48 winners of our € 4,000,000 notional allocation for a 6 month period.

Place DARWIN Notional allocation
1st PUZ € 300,000.00
2nd AXF € 250,000.00
3rd STP € 210,000.00
4th CSP € 170,000.00
5th SVI € 150,000.00
6th WIZ € 140,000.00
7th TSB € 130,000.00
8th HTS € 120,000.00
9th XAX € 110,000.00
10th NTI € 110,000.00
11th LZB € 110,000.00
12th CLA € 100,000.00
13th TZR € 100,000.00
14th MAT € 100,000.00
15th DDY € 90,000.00
16th CEM € 90,000.00
17th YIA € 90,000.00
18th ERQ € 80,000.00
19th QUA € 80,000.00
20th EEE € 80,000.00
21st SQG € 70,000.00
22nd AGD € 70,000.00
23rd FOF € 70,000.00
24th FEG € 70,000.00
25th EKB € 60,000.00
26th DSM € 60,000.00
27th BOT € 60,000.00
28th FJD € 60,000.00
29th RDD € 60,000.00
30th HTX € 60,000.00
31st RIB € 50,000.00
32nd BFT € 50,000.00
33rd ONE € 50,000.00
34th FCQ € 50,000.00
35th GPZ € 50,000.00
36th YHN € 50,000.00
37th ZTY € 50,000.00
38th PFZ € 40,000.00
39th PFI € 40,000.00
40th BGO € 40,000.00
41st JCZ € 40,000.00
42nd GTD € 40,000.00
43rd MMG € 40,000.00
44th APG € 40,000.00
45th YEC € 30,000.00
46th RFQ € 30,000.00
47th DJO € 30,000.00
48th VTJ € 30,000.00

 

Have questions about DarwinIA trading challenge ? At info@darwinex.com we’ll be happy to assist you!

Amended Trading Hours for US Thanksgiving Holidays (23 and 24 November 2017)

21 November 2017

Please note the amended Darwinex trading hours for the upcoming US Thanksgiving holiday period on 23 and 24 November 2017 (all times are in UK – GMT time).  Instrument 23 November 2017 24 November 2017 FX 22:01 Wed – 22:00 Thu 22:01 Thu – 21:55 Fri DARWINS 22:01 Wed – 22:00 Thu  22:01 Thu – 21:55 Fri  COMMODITIES     Gold* […]

Please note the amended Darwinex trading hours for the upcoming US Thanksgiving holiday period on 23 and 24 November 2017 (all times are in UK – GMT time).

 Instrument 23 November 2017 24 November 2017
FX 22:01 Wed – 22:00 Thu 22:01 Thu – 21:55 Fri
DARWINS 22:01 Wed – 22:00 Thu  22:01 Thu – 21:55 Fri
 COMMODITIES    
Gold* 23:01 Wed – 17:59 Thu 23:01 Thu – 18:44 Fri
Silver* 23:00 Wed – 17:59 Thu 23:00 Thu – 18:44 Fri
Platinum* 23:00 Wed – 17:59 Thu 23:00 Thu – 18:44 Fri
Palladium* 23:00 Wed – 17:59 Thu 23:00 Thu – 18:44 Fri
US Crude* 23:00 Wed – 17:44 Thu 23:00 Thu – 17:29 Fri
Natural Gas* 23:00 Wed – 17:44 Thu 23:00 Thu – 17:29 Fri
 INDICES    
Australia 200 23:00 Wed – 22:00 Thu 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri
 Europe 50 23:00 Wed – 22:00 Thu 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri
France 40 23:00 Wed – 22:00 Thu 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri
Germany 30 07:00 – 21:00 07:00 – 21:00
Spain 35 07:00 – 19:00 07:00 – 19:00
Japan 225* 23:00 Wed – 17:59 Thu  23:00 Thu – 18:14 Fri 
UK 100 23:00 Wed – 22:00 Thu 23:00 Thu – 21:55 Fri
 US SPX 500* 23:00 Wed – 17:59 Thu 23:00 Thu – 18:14 Fri 
 US Tech 100* 23:00 Wed – 17:59 Thu 23:00 Thu – 18:14 Fri 
Wall Street 30* 23:00 Wed – 17:59 Thu 23:00 Thu – 18:14 Fri 
*Amended Darwinex trading hours.

As always, at info@darwinex.com we’ll be happy to assist you!

DARWIN conditional orders in live environment

14 November 2017

We have the pleasure to announce that we are finally rolling out DARWIN conditional orders in the live environment. Demand was so strong, this just couldn’t wait any longer! Conditional orders for live accounts The DARWIN Exchange now supports conditional orders in the live environment. Investors may now enter conditional orders so that when a […]

We have the pleasure to announce that we are finally rolling out DARWIN conditional orders in the live environment. Demand was so strong, this just couldn’t wait any longer!

Conditional orders for live accounts

The DARWIN Exchange now supports conditional orders in the live environment.

Investors may now enter conditional orders so that when a DARWIN quote:

  • Falls to a certain level, they buy it (Buy limit)
  • Rises to certain level, they buy it (Buy stop)
  • Falls to a certain level, they sell it (Stop Loss)
  • Rises to a certain level, they sell it (Take Profit)

NB: we’ve disabled Buy stops for now – we will activate them once everyone is comfortable with the other 3 limit order types.

 

In order to launch conditional orders in the live environment, we’ve also had to launch another much demanded feature – DARWIN candle charts.

Introducing DARWIN candle charts

We’re introducing candle charts, not for the purpose of charting, but to be as transparent as possible on whether DARWIN quotes hit a given level.

Candles represent a given time interval and have:

  • Opening quote: the first quote at the start of the interval represented by the candle
  • Closing quote: the last quote during the interval represented by the candle
  • High: highest quote in the interval
  • Low: lowest quote in the interval

Note that due to differences in the frequency of tick price movements and duration of candle periods, the close quote for a candle need not necessarily match the open quote for the succeeding candle.

Price granularity

Price granularity is a trade-off between accuracy/transparency and computational efficiency. Pick too little, and compromise transparency. Pick too much, and waste resources.

This is why we’ve opted for a 3-Tier approach:

  • Second level granularity: on quotes in the DARWIN platform since 15 August 2017
  • Minute granularity:  for the period between IPO/validation of the Darwin in question and the 15 August 2017
  • Hourly granularity: for the period pre Darwin IPO/validation, when there were no investors in the DARWIN. Transparency requirements are lowest – these are “fictitious” quotes that no investor experienced!
  • Exception on DARWIN re-sets: on occasions, owing to some execution issue on a DARWIN’s underlying strategy, DARWIN equity curves must be “simulated” back to what they would have been barring the execution issues. For the period where the curve has had to be re-created, or needs to be recreated in the future, granularity will be on an hourly basis (just like pre-IPO), and not on a minute/second basis as you would otherwise expect.

You might ask yourself, “Why only second level granularity from 15th August 2017?”. Well, it’s simple really. We simply didn’t think that we would need this level of detail.

Separately, we are aware that the treatment of exceptions is sub-optimal. Be assured however that there’s ongoing work both to minimise the probability of execution disruptions and to resolve the mismatch between the actual and “optimal” DARWIN equity curve. Unfortunately this is not a trivial issue, so it will take time to fix.

Drawdown calculation

We will continue to calculate Drawdowns off the “Return Chart”. Note that this still doesn’t reflect the “Min” Candle – we’re working  on fixing this. Meanwhile, we preferred to release the candles over waiting for ironing out all related issues.

Thank you for your understanding and we look forward to your feedback on how to improve the platform!

And the DarwinIA winners are…

1 November 2017

The October edition of our DarwinIA trading challenge came to its end. Below you can find the 48 winners of our € 4,000,000 notional allocation for a 6 month period. Place DARWIN Notional allocation 1st TKT € 300,000.00 2nd UYZ € 250,000.00 3rd ZXW € 210,000.00 4th DLF € 170,000.00 5th FEG € 150,000.00 6th […]

The October edition of our DarwinIA trading challenge came to its end. Below you can find the 48 winners of our € 4,000,000 notional allocation for a 6 month period.

Place DARWIN Notional allocation
1st TKT € 300,000.00
2nd UYZ € 250,000.00
3rd ZXW € 210,000.00
4th DLF € 170,000.00
5th FEG € 150,000.00
6th VQB € 140,000.00
7th MOW € 130,000.00
8th HTS € 120,000.00
9th VTJ € 110,000.00
10th STP € 110,000.00
11th JCZ € 110,000.00
12th CLA € 100,000.00
13th LVS € 100,000.00
14th NWU € 100,000.00
15th PUL € 90,000.00
16th LDR € 90,000.00
17th PHD € 90,000.00
18th DFL € 80,000.00
19th AGD € 80,000.00
20th CNU € 80,000.00
21st KGL € 70,000.00
22nd PEW € 70,000.00
23rd KYQ € 70,000.00
24th AXF € 70,000.00
25th FGC € 60,000.00
26th QTN € 60,000.00
27th VNE € 60,000.00
28th ECC € 60,000.00
29th FYW € 60,000.00
30th PUD € 60,000.00
31st ERQ € 50,000.00
32nd DZL € 50,000.00
33rd PMZ € 50,000.00
34th BNX € 50,000.00
35th WBH € 50,000.00
36th LLZ € 50,000.00
37th FTT € 50,000.00
38th KWC € 40,000.00
39th OOG € 40,000.00
40th NGS € 40,000.00
41st SRK € 40,000.00
42nd XYP € 40,000.00
43rd NAU € 40,000.00
44th VHI € 40,000.00
45th ONE € 30,000.00
46th FER € 30,000.00
47th BYC € 30,000.00
48th PUZ € 30,000.00

Darwinex Amended Trading Hours due to German Public Holiday (31 October 2017)

27 October 2017

Please note the amended Darwinex trading hours for the upcoming Bank Holiday in Germany on 31 October 2017 (all times are in UK time).  Instrument Trading Hours  FX 22:05 Mon – 22:00 Tue   DARWINS 22:05 Mon – 22:00 Tue  COMMODITIES   Gold 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue Silver 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue Platinum 23:00 Mon – 22:00 […]

Please note the amended Darwinex trading hours for the upcoming Bank Holiday in Germany on 31 October 2017 (all times are in UK time).

 Instrument Trading Hours
 FX 22:05 Mon – 22:00 Tue
  DARWINS 22:05 Mon – 22:00 Tue
 COMMODITIES  
Gold 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Silver 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Platinum 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Palladium 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
US Crude 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Natural Gas 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
 INDICES  
Australia 200  23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
 Europe 50 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
France 40 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Germany 30* Closed
Spain 35 08:00 – 19:00
Japan 225 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
UK 100  23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
 US SPX 500 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
 US Tech 100 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
Wall Street 30 23:00 Mon – 22:00 Tue
*Amended Darwinex trading hours.

As always, at info@darwinex.com we’ll be happy to assist you!